Wagon Productions
is putting on a comedy show on Sunday May 23rd. Twice. Comics Jacques
Barrett, James Rochford, Cameron
Knight, Matt Dyktynski, Ray Badran, Sam Makhoul
and Tom Oakley
are performing at The Cleveland Street
Theatre in a showcase called Pimp My Wagon at 5.30pm and
7.30pm, and filming it for DVD release. I took the opportunity to
interview Jacques Barratt, a comic Iâve known for several years and got
to know better during the Melbourne International Comedy
Festival of 2008.
âComedy doesnât necessarily make
a lot of money for a bar on the
night,â Jacques explains. âPeople donât really get pissed at comedy.
Theyâre
watching a show, so they arenât drinking constantly. They donât hit the
cocktails and build up bar sales.â
Room to laugh
Jacques Barrett is not just a
great
stand-up comic on the make â one youâd be hearing about sooner rather
than
later if you hadnât heard about him already â heâs also a comic who sets
up and
runs comedy rooms. The thing about comedy rooms is they wax and wane.
Someone starts one up and it does well. Suddenly more pop up. For a while a
heap
do good. And then one by one, they start to disappear until only the
strongest
survive. And then the cycle starts again. But, Jacques explains, the
problem
for anyone starting up a room is the thought that itâll provide an
instant
cash injection for the venue on a night thatâs
normally dead. It rarely does. What happens instead, especially in a
pub, is
that a comedy night âgets a lot of people in that never even knew the
place
existedâ. If they enjoyed the food and the selection of beer on tap and
got
great service, then the next time theyâre in that part of town, hungry
or
thirsty, theyâll go to that pub â as well as returning on the comedy
night if they enjoyed it. But itâs on the non-comedy nights when the pub
will
actually make money as a result of the comedy. Essentially, Jacques says, âa comedy night is a great way to advertise
your
pub.â
Jacques has had
quite a lot of experience,
not just on stage, but also in bars and kitchens. I discovered this a
few years
ago when he was one of the âbest up-and-comersâ selected for Comedy
Zone, a newbie comic showcase the
Melbourne International Comedy Festival puts together. It was 2008 and I
had
the pleasure of sharing a South Yarra flat with Jacques for the duration
of the
festival. And it was a pleasure (apart from the first time we tried to
use the oven and discovered previous tenantsâ chicken nuggets therein).
Jacques is a master pizza maker. Heâs got a
taste for the best ingredients (including jalapeno peppers) and knows
which
part of the oven to cook them in. (Low â bottom shelf â for a proper,
even
cook. As long as lazy cleaning staff have finally come in to remove the
old chicken nuggets!) But remember, this is a guy who worked in
hospitality â âbars and
kitchensâ â for the better part of a decade-and-a-half. And it was while
working
behind a bar somewhere in the middle of it all that he decided to give
comedy a
go.
Comedy in Store for JacquesâSeven years ago I worked at the Comedy
Store as a bartender and waiter,â Jacques explains. âI liked comedy,
Iâd always
thought about giving it a shot and one day I just did it: I got up
there. And
it didnât go too bad; I didnât die. I got a bit of a taste for it and
then the
next gig I did, three weeks later on a Tuesday night, open mic night, I
went
better: I caned it; I smashed it. I was like, âI got this; Iâm all over
this.
This is my thingâ.â
If you know any
comics, or have done any
comedy, you know where this is going: good first gig; even better second
gigâ¦
âThree weeks later, I got up
again, and I
died. DIED. One of the worst deaths I ever had: pure silence. It was
awesome!â
I love that Jacques
describes his most
spectacular on-stage death as âawesomeâ rather than awful. This is part
of the
reason why he is a great comic on the make: he can appreciate the
importance of
failing. There is a truism that a comic has never done their best or
worst gig:
thereâs always the potential for one better
or worse around the corner. Jacques points out a pattern that has proven
generally true in his experience: âyou usually have your best gig after
youâve
had your worst gig, because you learn a lot from the bad onesâ. He
shares another
truism, revealed to him by âone of the greatsâ, comedian Chris Wainhouse: âYou
never really learn anything from a good gig; you only ever
learn from the bad onesâ.
I canât quite
pinpoint when it happened,
but for the last couple of years at least, Jacques hasnât just been
having more
good gigs than bad ones â heâs pretty much mostly been having great
ones!
Jacques canât quite pinpoint it either, but puts it down to
âreliabilityâ.
âWhen I get on stage, I have
really, really
good material,â he insists. âI donât like to do anything below
that
standard. But it took me a long, long time before I got to a point where
I had
15 minutes that worked pretty much
universally.â
Actually, there was a
time where that started to
happen more often than not, and it was the month of the 2008
International Melbourne
Comedy Festival, when Jacques was in Comedy
Zone with Tom Ballard, Jack
Druce and Lila Tillman. âComedy Zone gave me 12-15 minutes of really reliable stuff and from that
I just added extra bits,â Jacques explains. âIt got to a point where I
had
thirty minutes.â
So the transition
from good up-and-comer to
a comic youâd see any time confidently knowing youâre gonna laugh,
happened as a result of Comedy Zone. But Jacques himself canât
pinpoint the moment; it
happens as a process. He does remember another great stand-up, Anthony
Mir,
giving him sage advice: âIf you want to get booked a lot, you donât
necessarily
have to be incredibly funny, you just have to be pretty funny all the
time: you
have to be reliable.â
Jacques Barrett got
reliable, and so, he
says, âgot more gigs because of that reliability. And the more gigs I
got, the
more material I got that was reliable. It got to a point where I was
pretty
reliable and the phone rang a lot.â
The next step was MCing gigs.
âI was MCing everywhere,â Jacques recalls. The beauty of being able to
MC is that a
lot of your job is functional. You need some material, but you also need
to
interact with the audience and bounce of the acts that have just been on
(particularly if theyâve âbrokenâ the room and it needs to be âre-setâ
before
the next act). Itâs often the perfect situation for trying out new
material,
usually under the guise of âtalking to the audienceâ, which is great
because
âif it doesnât go that well, you can still save itâ:
just fall back into your tried-and-true stuff, the âreally reliableâ material.
Although it doesnât
always work like that.
Stand Up Get Down In The Fireplace
A couple of weeks ago, for example, I saw
Jacques headline at World Bar, in the room Rhys Jones runs with Dan Chin, as
âStand Up Get Downâ. World Bar is one of those Kings Cross venues that was
clearly a stately old home back in the day. The comedy room was a spacious
drawing room or lounge room once â the stage set up in front of a massive old
fireplace, which is handy, because the mantle serves as a shelf for the comicâs drink. It has a lot of character. But it was a strange night: the audience
began as minuscule; it would grow to quite a nice size as punters wandered in
for a bit and then disappeared again; then it would shrink to only slightly larger than the core keen kids
whoâd been there since the beginning. During one of the lulls in audience size,
Rhys put it to Jacques that as there were so few punters, there wasnât going to
be the opportunity for payment â would he still want to do the gig?
âI was like, âYeah, sure, Iâm here, letâs
try and give these people a showâ,â Jacques says. âEveryone was having fun with
it, experimenting.â But the fact that he was now performing for free meant that
he had no obligation to stick to his âreliableâ material â he could have fun
and experiment too. Jacques spent most of the evening riffing and bouncing of an
audience that, by the lead-up to his set, had swelled to a good size, and rather than shrink, appeared to continue to grow while he was on the stage.
Perhaps because he was now playing to a fair amount of punters, Jacques
frequently chose, after each leap into the unknown, to bring the show back to a spot of established âroutineâ,
a bit of âreliableâ with which to round off before moving on into some other hitherto
uncharted territory.
But a strange thing happened: each
concluding âroutineâ, building on observations and improvised banter with the
audience, should have blown the roof off. Instead, the free-form material would
build and build and then⦠plateau during the âreliableâ.
In hindsight, itâs easy to see why. Even if
they donât realise that theyâre hip to it, at some level, punters can tell the
difference. Itâs in a comicâs voice, or poise, or pace, the transition to being
âin the momentâ and improvising with whatâs being given to them, compared to
the established material that theyâre entirely in control of. No matter how
realistically you can deliver a script, itâs never going to be as ârealâ as
saying what pops into your mind the moment it appears there. Jacques concurs.
âPeople
see you having fun, and then you go back to old material, the material youâve
usually done⦠I think they see it in your face. They kind of go, âOh,
youâve done this heaps of times before. You donât believe it like you believe
that ranty, off-the-cuff stuff.ââ
Where it happened so spectacularly was with
one of Jacquesâs best loved bits (best loved by the comic and his fans), a very clever, very funny routine. And after it played to near indifference, Jacques âcalled
itâ: âRight,â he said, âthat was my best bit, and you donât care about it. Iâm
going to do the rest of the set from inside the fireplace.â
At which point, Jacques climbed into the
fireplace behind the stage, and proceeded to deliver his set from there. Which
worked: suddenly heâd re-set the room. Elements of indifference disappeared.
Any material now, even the most âreliableâ, had been at the very least
physically re-contextualised. When all you are is a head, a hand and a
microphone, you are forced to put more into delivery and an audience is forced
to do more in watching and hearing â if theyâre interested. How can you not be interested in a guy who just climbed into the fireplace? Suddenly everyoneâs on edge, wanting to see how it goes.
âThereâs a real joy that comes through in a
performer when you know theyâre doing something thatâs completely ânewâ,
something theyâve never done it before,â says Jacques, likening the process to a street
fight. âWhen it goes well, you feel like a real raw comic out there. Youâre in
the scraps. Youâve got no weapons. Youâre not armed with any material. Youâve
just got you and youâve got your bare fists and youâre out there and youâre
throwing punches and theyâre landing. Youâre not just funny because your
material is funny; youâre actually funny in the moment as well.â
I guess itâs the difference between a
choreographed fight scene and an actual fight. And the difference is, if youâre
up for it, and youâve got the confidence and youâre fit, itâs a fight youâre likely to win. âAs long as you can land the first couple of punches,â Jacques qualifies.
âYou get âem onside.â
The fat kid in history
Some of what gets punters onside for
Jacques are admissions of growing up a poor, fat kid and a victim of
indifferent schooling in Brisbane. Itâs interesting because every
comic pretty much starts out doing self-deprecating autobiography â âtalk about
what you knowâ â but an audience doesnât like having to give a comedian pity,
no matter how much it is warranted. They want a comic who is in control. Tell
those sad stories, by all means, but tell âem funny, with the comic having overcome the hardships, delivering the right twist at the right time to make it about the audienceâs
entertainment, not about the comicâs therapy. When Jacques tells his stories,
they are hilarious. Iâm curious to know how âtrueâ they are â if they are
utterly made up, have a kernel of truth or are utterly autobiographical. As
ever, itâs mostly the middle range (kernel of truth), with bits at either
extreme (made up, utterly autobiographical) that makes the story funny.
âMy parents were real estate agents, so
they went through sporadic periods of not having much money if the market was
bad,â Jacques relates. âI was fat. I was teased pretty bad.â
According to Jacques, his parents âbegged,
borrowed and stoleâ to get him into a private boysâ school. But even though he
did attend a private school, there wasnât âthat much cash lying aroundâ.
Rather, everything his folks did, they did to get their kid educated in a âgoodâ
school.
âIt was a big school, and I did stand out,â
Jacques says. âI was in the top two per cent of the fattest kids in the school.â
Even though heâs shed that weight, he claims to still have âthat fat kid
mentality: âplease like me; please like me for my personalityâ.â It is, in
effect, the root of Jacques Barratt, the comic, wanting to be loved by an
entire room full of strangers on a regular basis. And Jacques knows it. He knew
it back when he was âbeing fat at schoolâ:
âPeople I didnât even know would be teasing
me at school. I didnât know their names, but they knew mine. They knew who I
was and it almost felt good. It almost felt like, if I lost weight,
Iâd blend into the crowd and nobody would know me. Instead, I stood out because I was chunky and people would pay me out. I almost
liked the attention. Maybe thatâs why I never lost the weight.â
Build it and they will laugh
After Jacques had arrived with his reliable
routines, he did something a lot of comics do: he opened a room. He and fellow
comic James Rochford started up a company called Wagon Productions, and opened a
comedy room at BBs, a bar on Campbell Parade, Bondi Beach. More about the room
later.
Traditionally, comics do this to ensure
they get quality stage time. Eddie Izzard, for example, ran a cool room in
London for a while, just before he broke through. But if the comic is too new,
and too indulgent, it can mean a quick end to the room as they put themselves on too much, failing to entertain an audience with quality comedy. Newer comics may also fall into the trap of spending too much time building the
empire when they should just be building up their own skills and material.
Jacques found a way to strike a balance, to ensure that the room and his comedy
both progressed healthily.
âWhen youâre putting yourself on in your
own room to develop comedy,â he explains, âit has to be a real comedy room to
actually know whether what youâre doing is funny.â By âreal comedy roomâ, he
means a room that appeals to every-day punters; people who arenât necessarily
comedy-savvy, but who will be able to watch a show in that room and laugh. âSometimes
when youâre doing an open-mic room, youâre playing to an audience thatâs mostly
open mic-ers and friends of open mic-ers and we have such a strange taste in
comedy that if you do something in an open-mic room and itâs only that audience
and they laugh, when you go to an actual comedy club and do it, like the Laugh Garage, for example, itâs not funny.
Ridiculous, dark, off-the-wall kind of stuff makes other comedians laugh.
Itâs strange and weird stuff. But that stuff doesnât necessarily work at a
mainstream comedy club.â
So the reason why Jacquesâs own comedy was
working at the same time as he was running rooms and appearing in them was because
he made an effort to make those rooms as much like the mainstream club
circuit rooms as possible. âWe paid the acts as much as we could. We got an MC,
two or three suppot acts and a headliner. Pretty standard stuff. And that meant
that people who came to see comedy got a show, as opposed to coming to
support open mic-ers. If I got up on my stage and made them laugh, I was
going to make people laugh in other venues. It helped my comedy.â
Where to start
Jacques and James had been considering
setting up a room for a while. âIâd run rooms before,â Jacques says, âbut they
didnât really work out very well, although I got invaluable experience and now
know how they work, what to do and what not to do.â He and James had spent some time âscouting aroundâ and had
âknocked up a little proposalâ by the time Jacques had spotted the perfect
venue, BBs, on Bondi Beach. âA guy I worked with at a bar, that was his local,â
Jacques says. âWe went in there and the guy said, âWe were thinking of doing
comedy in here as well, so itâs perfectâ. We went, âGreat, three weeks from
now, letâs do a trial nightâ.â
As it happens, Jacques knows a lot of
people in Bondi, a lot of surfers, and knows that âword-of-mouth in a beach
suburb is crucialâ. So they put the word out and they organised the opening
night of Comedy@BBs. âWhen we got there, there were about a hundred people crammed into a
space that holds 80. I MCâd it, we had Tommy Dean headline, James did a
spot, Ray Badran did a spot, Tom Oakley did a spot⦠From the second I put my
foot on stage, people were ready to laugh. They let us all know, âYes we want comedy here and this is going to workâ. It killed. It was one of the greatest nights
of comedy ever.â
Comedy@BBs is still going strong, and whatâs more,
the audience is strong and demanding. âThey have slowly built up a knowledge of
comedy and now thereâs a standard they expect. Itâs pretty high, and it pushes
comics: you get a decent crowd, but youâve got to make sure you bring decent
material. You canât fluff around.â Thatâs part of the reason Jacques got so
good so fast â the quality of the room he was running. âIt raises your level.
Thatâs been a contributing factor to some of my newer material and the snappy,
punchy nature of it. The crowd at BBs is very much, âMake me laugh now until
the night finishes. Do not stop making me laughâ.â
In addition to Comedy@BBs on a Tuesday night,
Jacques and Jamesâs other room, Coogee Comedy@Randwick Rugby Club âis rippingâ
on Thursday nights. âThe back cocktail room only needs about 40 people to feel
full,â Jacques reports, âbut the crowds weâve been getting down there â they
love it. They love comedy so much, they laugh straight away. Theyâre not
pretentious; theyâre not expectant; they just get into it. Coogee will go with
the dark, strange comics as much as the straight-down-the-line ones. Theyâll
appreciate where youâre coming from.â
Although Jacques intends heading overseas
later this year, and Jim has a full time job, Wagon Productions is going strong.
Theyâre working with other comics â Ray Badran, Sam Makhoul and Tom Oakley â to
ensure everything continues to run smoothly. âWeâre gonna pass the keys on to
those guys,â Jacques assures me: âBondi and Coogee are going to function, as
long as there are people there to rip tickets. Itâs just keeping the numbers
really high â thatâs where the work comes into. Because you can rest on your
laurels and people will come for a certain period of time, but after about
three months, if you havenât promoted with fliers and posters and stuff like
that, the numbers go down a little bit. Thatâs the kind of maintenance thatâs
required by the guys weâve recruited. We handpicked them because we knew they
were guys who have the same motivation and are at the same level as Jim and I.
Theyâll keep it going like that.â
Pimpinâ the Wagon
Speaking of fellow comics with the same
motivation and at the same level, Jacques and James are taking the next brave
step with Ray, Sam and Tom, and two other great comics, Matt Dyktynksi and Cameron
Knight. Theyâre putting on two shows, back-to-back, in a theatre, to be turned
into a DVD.
âThe seven guys weâve got, on paper weâre
very similar; weâre all about the same age, weâre all guys, we do comedy that
works,â Jacques says of the lineup, âbut individually, weâre all different.
Itâs a really good example of how unique and diverse comedy can be. Off stage
you go, âtheyâre all kind of the sameâ but then you see our acts, theyâre such
different points of view on everything. Thereâs a little bit of everything for
everyone. Thatâs why I wanted to make a DVD of it.â
One of the things they all have in common
is the fact that theyâve not yet become âTV comicsâ. âIf we have been on TV, it
hasnât been in any massive way. So we thought, letâs do something ourselves,
letâs get something filmed, make it look good, get our names out there as best
we can. Because we all want to get known for our comedy, as opposed to just
getting on TV for any other reason. Thatâs the one common thread: we all just
love doing comedy.â For Jacques â and, he argues, for the rest of the group,
including NIDA-trained actor Matt Dyktynski whoâs had roles in everything, and
Cameron Knight, who hosted Stand Up Australia for the Comedy Channel â the ideal is
to make a living out of stand-up comedy, âwith TV as the odd, extra-curricular
activity to help get more stand-up. Comedy is the main passion and career. We
all have that in common.â
According to Jacques, if you see the shows,
or end up buying the DVD down the track, what youâll be doing is getting a
taste of good comedy you just wouldnât see on television. âItâs safe and
similar, the comedy that you see on TV. And I think people need a bit of a
shake-up, and to see comedy that includes people who say stuff thatâs a little
bit wrong. Chances are, even though itâs a little bit wrong, people are into
that. Chances are thatâs what really makes them laugh.â
Funny Australia
Of course, the greater project is to try to
make stand-up comedy as popular in Australia as it is in the UK, where itâs one
of the top three forms of entertainment that people actively go out to see. âItâs
such small amount of people who go, âLetâs go see some comedyâ and consider it a
legitimate form of entertainment here,â Jacques says. âI donât really know why
thatâs the case because 75 per cent of comedy gigs you see in Sydney, youâd go,
âWow, that was really greatâ.â
I know part of the reason why thatâs the
case: in the UK, you just canât sit outside at nighttime for most of the year.
You go indoors. And when youâre indoors, even when youâre drinking, thereâs
something else you can be doing. Comedy is one of those indoor things you can
go to. In Australia, you can spend most of the year outdoors at night. Weâre an
âoutdoorsâ culture. But if your ideal pastime is sitting on the back veranda
sinking the piss with your mates while you all talk bollocks, why not go to a
pub and sink the piss with your mates while someone on the stage talks
bollocks?
Jacques agrees, but suggests another
cultural reason why comedy doesnât do as well here as it does in the UK just
yet. In Australia, he points out, thereâs a sense of everybody being funny. âEveryoneâs
got a sense of humour, everyoneâs funny to their own mates, and I think some
people have a bit of a problem seeing someone whoâs funnier than them or perhaps
not as funny as them but getting more attention to them. Cos theyâre the
larrikin at the barbie, the guy who tells the good story, everyone listens to them
around the watercooler, theyâve now got to go to comedy and watch these other
guys get more attention and get way more laughs. At the same time, though, we
do it for a living and maybe, if youâre the guy used to being the centre of attention,
the larrikin, you should give it a shot. Itâs a lot of fun to do if youâre
popular with your mates. Be a part of it. See what itâs all about.â
Absolutely. And
some of the places to do it
would be Comedy@BBs, Bondi Beach, on a Tuesday night, and Coogee
Comedy@Randwick
Rugby Club on a Thursday night. And at one of two gigs, 5.30pm and
7.30pm, this
Sunday 23rd May at the Cleveland Street Theatre, Surry Hills. (Ticket info here). Or, otherwise,
on a DVD
thatâll be shot there.
For more information visit www.thewagon.com.au.