A nifty conversation with
John Robertson
Thursday, July 15, 2010
âYou know what I looked up today?â John Robertson asks down the phone line, joy in his voice as he adds, âthis is fun!â What heâs looked up today â and Iâm not sure whether he knew what he was looking for, or if he stumbled upon it â is a Wikipedia article about a serial killer. âItâs a guy called âThe Servant Girl Annihilatorâ, which is now my favourite serial killer name ever.â
Okay, donât get the wrong idea. John does appear a little too happy to discover the existence of The Servant Girl Annihilator, revelling in the description of Americaâs first documented serial killer who slightly predates Jack the Ripper and whom some believe was in fact one and the same homicidal maniac as Jack. But John Robertson, a fine comic who has been doing stand-up some seven years, is currently touring a show that happens to be called A Nifty History of Evil â which one promoter has astutely summed up as âthe comedy of your nightmares; a manic journey through historyâs biggest bastards, with the icky bits left in!â With that kind of description, you not only already know youâre gonna like the show, you also know that âThe Servant Girl Annihilatorâ is likely to inspire more material. And if you do like the show already, you should also know that youâre in good company: A Nifty History of Evil recently won âArtistsâ Choiceâ and âCriticsâ Choiceâ awards at Perthâs recent Wild West Comedy Festival. So you can understand the comicâs joy at discovering that such a thing as âThe Servant Girl Annihilatorâ exists.
âMy favourite element,â John says of the Wikipedia entry, âis that centuries later, some anonymous dickhead is attempting to claim, for the glory of America, that they had serial killers before Britain; thereâs a more obscure and less lauded serial killer more worthy of attention.â John likens it to the story of Jim Shepherd, publisher of superhero comic book The Phantom, having once written to Bob Kane, creator of Batman, and accuse him of being a hack for stealing Lee Falkâs work and Ray Mooreâs character design â since the Dark Knight is clearly the Ghost Who Walks, Man Who Cannot Die with ears and a capeâ¦
The reference is a little obscure, even for me, but it sums up the essence of John Robertson: extreme knowledge of precise minutiae, delivered entertainingly. Itâs part of what makes this Perth comic such an interesting proposition.
Acting funny
As a comic â and
indeed, as a frequent host of sci-fi conventions â he keeps an audience equally
spell-bound with hand puppets and ukulele-accompanied songs as he does purely
with words. But before you even get to that point of the on-stage â or
off-stage â performance, you might be struck, as others have, by Johnâs
resemblance to other people. Like Melbourne comic Danny McGinlay, for example.
âOh, thatâs nice,â
John says. âYou can mistake me for Danny McGinlay if I was a foot-and-a-half
taller, and his voice was three feet deeperâ¦â
Actually, if
you knew either of them well, you wouldnât mistake one for the other⦠unless you were dealing with them over the phone â since Johnâs voice isnât three feet deeper than Dannyâs. Thereâs probably only a couple of inches difference and itâs hard to call whoâs actually ahead. However, if Dannyâs
sideburns were a couple of feet broader, you would have trouble telling them apart. Johnâs sideburns are, after all, part
of the source of the other comparison he frequently receives, to Wolverine of
the Uncanny X-Men. âYeah, if Danny had sideburns that stretched from here to
the Tasman Sea⦠although our shoulders are reasonably the same breadthâ¦â
Itâs hard to tell
if John is merely doing the comedianâs thing â taking an idea thatâs been
offered and running with it, turning it around to look at it from various
angles, to see which bits of it catch the light and so can reflect a new twist leading
to new humour â or merely running through thoughts that heâs toyed with
previously.
âIâve only met Danny once, actually,â John continues.
âIt was like, âAhaâ¦! Two years ago someone told me I was a little like you, and
now that Iâve met you, I wish I were. Because youâre quite handsome, you
devil-may-care devilâ¦ââ
I doubt they were Johnâs exact words to Danny, even
if they had actually met. But Robertson insists theyâre certainly his
sentiments. âWith his well-developed chest, and me at five-foot-eight and
slightly overweight, Iâm so glad people think I look like him!â
John also accepts the allegation that he âcanât not
have been an actor before he was a comicâ, adding the proviso that âit doesnât
mean I was a good actorâ. Rather, he says, as a stage actor he found the âartificeâ
of live performance to be âabsolutely ridiculousâ:
âA comedian will walk out onto a stage â which is an
area purpose-built so that a large group of people can look at you â and will look
back at the crowd and talk directly to them. Whereas an actor has to go through
this ridiculous contrivance of pretending that somehow the audience isnât there,
while at the same time talking to someone whoâs next to them in a highly
intimate manner â and by âhighly intimateâ, I mean, theyâre standing at an
angle and in fact yelling at the top of their voice, so all the people that
they canât see because they arenât there, can actually hear them.â
Clearly, stage acting had to be jettisoned for comedy
â Johnâs ability to see the absurdity in life wouldnât allow him to actually
live that absurdity daily without being able to call it, as a way of life. âIâm
too logical to be an actor. I like the idea of, I walk out, I look directly at
you, and I communicate directly to you. And if you like what you hear, you let
me know immediately.â That arrangement works best for John, he insists, because
heâs âan impatient, âonly childâ sort of a chapâ who likes his feedback
directly.
According to John, rolled up sleeves means âgâday, Iâm
your everyman! Iâve just finished doing some heavy physical labour, and here I
am now, to communicate to youâ. With his sleeves down, John just looks like âa
reasonably well-dressed boyâ. Itâs the difference, he says, between giving a âhappy-and-funâ
audience happiness and fun, and a rowdy, aggressive audience, some aggression.
As weâre discussing this over the phone, I canât tell if Iâm chatting to the
reasonably well-dressed boy or the physical everyman, but I remind John of one
such gig where he had to roll the sleeves up; he talks about it on stage: a
horror gig before an audience of pissed-up Yorkshiremen.
âThereâs a whole subset of comedians from my town who
were there that night,â John recalls. He relates the story in a tone that
almost sounds like warm nostalgia â and it may well be, now that time has
passed. âEveryone has a war story from that evening.â
The story goes, a âlovelyâ Perth promoter â a
luv-er-ly cockney lad who used to book the comics for club gigs and corporate
gigs, and whom John âdoesâ in character when telling the story, phone the comic
up with the offer of a âlovely, lovelyâ gig to a âlovely, lovely young crowdâ,
replacing the original MC who had dropped out. The âyoung crowdâ happened to be
an audience of 80-year-olds at a golf club.
âThey were all old Yorkshiremen and women who had
been members of the club since they emigrated to Australia 20 years before. Every
comedian on the bill was 40 to 60 years younger than them and they hated us.â
Rest assured, the gig commenced as normal, with both
sides trying to make the most of a bad situation. They respectfully sat through
Johnâs opening slot, despite not really âgettingâ him; they tolerated the first
act. But the second act was an American, at which point, John says, âthey lost
their shitâ. A guy up the back yelled out, âAh donât lahk yanks!â It was
followed by 20 minutes of âdeathly silence and Yorkshire grumblingâ.
Another comic â whom John describes as âbasically
like an Umbilical Brotherâ â got up and did sound effects, and while the agéd
Yorkshirefolk didnât like him either, they eventually applauded him out of
respect âfor the sweat he producedâ.
It was during the interval, while John was taking a
leak, that revelation came. âI heard a large voice behind me say, âOh, aye, a
comedian. Ah lahk you. Some of your jokes are funny. You know who Ah lahk? Ah
lahk that Roy âChubbyâ Brown.ââ It was at that moment, John says, that he
realised theyâd been booked for the wrong gig. âAt the time, none of us were
punchline merchants. We are now. Thatâs what we learnt that evening: âWhattaya
know? We should write some jokes. People like those!ââ
True enough, although the extent of damage wrought by
lack of punchlines was yet to be unveiled. Somewhere during the night an
old-school open mic-er got up and delivered sub-book gag routines like ââ¦She
asked me to kiss her somewhere dirty, so I took her to Battersea Power Stationâ¦â
which went down a treat. So when the headliner, who was meant to do a fifty
minute set, told an internet joke, which the agéd Yorkshirefolk loved, followed
by another internet joke, which they also loved, and then promptly ran out of
material agéd Yorkshirefolk like, things were bound to come unstuck.
âI canât tell you his name,â John says of the
headline act that night, âbecause Iâm certain he doesnât want to remember this.
But he said, âIâm out of internet jokes; wouldnât you people rather be asleep? Or
dead?ââ
And thatâs when the crowd â on the verge of hostility
all night â finally cracked: four minutes into a 50-minute set. He said, âAre
we all tired of stand-up?â and they said âYes!â and started booing.â The
audience booed the headline act offstage, and then started chanting for the
old-school open mic-er to return. So John got back up, thanked everyone for
coming while the booing and the chanting continued, and then all the comedians
fled from the venue, fearing for their lives. âAnd three of us pissed on the side
of the building,â John adds. âThatâs how aggrieved we were. And off we went.â
John recalls that he happened to be sitting next to
the promoterâs daughter while the headline comic was busy asking the audience whether
they wouldnât ârather be watching Gardening
Australia? Or Matlock? Or just
rotting in the ground?â, and she turned to John, demanding, âWhat is wrong with
him?â According to John, âthere was nothing to say. It was an age war. And we
lost. We were the Germans in this encounter. It was Perth comedyâs Gallipoli:
an Englishman sent us to the wrong beach.â
âAh well,
you see, thatâs humility,â John replies. âIf I were to be fair to my own
self-image, Iâd have to say that Hugh Jackman styled that look on me. I am a
tremendously attractive deep-voiced soul, all 5-foot-8 of me. I have the build
of a rugby player who doesnât play rugby anymore.â
âYes,â I add, in a downright un-Australian and cheeky manner, âbut you just havenât had your
âallegedâ marriage of convenience yet.â
I regret the cheap and nasty Perez-Hiltonesque remark before itâs even finished coming out of my mouth, but John â ever the gracious professional â keeps moving in a different direction
According to John, âall Leopold wantedâ was for his
girlfriend to sleep with other people, but she was reluctant. âIt was illegal at
the time, and she would probably be shot, so he had a nervous breakdownâ.
Meanwhile, all the Marquis de Sade wanted, apparently, was to have orgies, but âhe
was such a dickhead about it that he kept telling everyone that he was doing
it, which was unheard of at the time, so he kept going to prisonâ. Johnâs
conclusion? âI should find some nice bohemian combination of the two, and then
never mention it to anyone, ever.â
I know it looks as though Johnâs taken the opportunity to chase down another
tangent in order to side-step discussing the nature of Perth comedy, but what
heâs actually done is deftly led us back to the topic of show heâs doing, A Nifty History of Evil. Still, in the process, it does look as though heâs having a much better conversation with himself than with me.
âThatâs what comes of being an only child,â John
counters: âa need to respond to a simple question with a nine-part answer, none of which
parts are inter-connectedâ. Indeed, he concludes, âIâm the Old Testament version
of my own life storyâ.
Raymond and Cat Cat
There is the tinge of the Old Testament to Johnâs life just at the moment, an example of the
Good Lord who giveth, taking away. A key point of his performances has been the
appearance of two adorable puppets â a sad guinea pig and a hideous cat. âI donât
know what it is about them,â he says, âbut audiences find Raymond the
Manic-Depressive Guinea Pig and Cat Cat the Munt-Faced Cat utterly enchanting.â
Turns out John found Raymond on the floor of the
childrenâs entertainment centre where he used to work. âHe just looked so
miserable and so desperately sad that I took him home. I literally stole him.â John
used to walk around the place with the guinea pig on his hand, speaking with in
its voice all day. âI absolutely loved the idea of a sad hamster. It was just so
much fun. You could make it look like he was cutting his wrists; he could cover
his eyes; it was just this great moment of pathos. It could make an audience so
sad.â¦â
The show A
Nifty History of Evil itself, according to John, is about âmarketing, blood
and styleâ. Itâs an historical journey through âobscure moments of evil
mythologyâ. So it features âPhilippino vampires, a puppet show about the
Marquis de Sade, a happy song about Stalinâs Purges which is basically Goldilocks and the Three Bears retold
from a soviet perspectiveâ¦â â a little bit of everything, really. If itâs
inspired by anything, itâs the facts gleaned as a kid from childrenâs
encyclopedias.
âI really liked those entries youâd stumble across
that would end, âand then he massacred all of themâ,â John says. âWhen itâs
been divorced from context by about 400 years and then phrased in a childrenâs
encyclopedia, it usually tends to be great. I basically wanted to put together
a horrible history of the world, and some of these things are just excruciatingly
funny.â
What sort of things are excruciatingly funny? He
offers the possible alternative endings to World War II as an example. Both the
Russians and American were working on secret weapons that would finally bring
the conflict to an end, once and for all. The Americans were developing the
deadly âBat Bombâ, essentially âa bat with dynamite strapped to it,â according
to John.
âThey were going to release these over Tokyo. They
never did it because the first day they were experimenting with the bats in a
secret army base, they flew up into the roof and, when they exploded, took out
the base.â The historical consequence of this was the Americans developing the
more cost effective nuclear fusion. âIt was cheaper to develop the atom bomb.â
At the same time, John says, the Russians were
developing the âdog bombâ â a dog with a landmine strapped to it. Dogs were
being trained â no doubt via Pavlovâs classical conditioning, to run under
German tanks, by putting food under tanks. âBut the Russians didnât have any
German tanks for the dogs to practice on,â John reports, âso the dogs would go
out into battle, look at German tanks and freak out, then look at Russian tanks
which they associated with food, run back to them, and explode.â
These ridiculous historical factoids are great, but
better still, for John, are the moments in the show when people hear about
stuff they already know, but werenât aware others were into.
âIâve seen a large guy dressed in footy shorts cheer when I mention
Countess Elizabeth Bathory,â John says. And why shouldnât an apparent rugger
bugger cheer at in recognition of the horrible Hungarian ruler who used to
bathe in the blood of young virgin women â since beauty products containing the
stem cells of discarded fetuses werenât yet on the market â in order to remain
youthful?
Likewise, âtroupes of young women high five each
otherâ when John begins to discuss Lilith, the first woman. Well, sheâs the
first woman according to the Kabala and variations of the original myth from
which the Adam and Eve story is reportedly derived. Apparently, Lilith was
banished from the Garden of Eden by God because she refused to acquiesce to
Adam as husband and boss. Depending on the version of the story, Lilith
disappears, becomes a howling wind, or becomes a vampire who preys on children
and pregnant women. No guesses which version of the story A Nifty History of Evil deals withâ¦
This has been a long conversation, admittedly, John concludes, but itâs
the last chance weâll get to have one for a while. âThe minute I finish the show in Sydney,â he says, âIâm
flying home to Perth where Iâll spend four hours changing my bags over so that
I can fly to Edinburgh and do 44 shows in 22 days. Then Iâm doing club work in
the UK until October.â
There you have it. If you want to see A Nifty History of Evil in Sydney, Johnâs doing it at the Comedy
Store, Sunday July 25th. Until then, heâs featuring in the Storeâs season
of âHeavy Weights of Ha Haâ featuring Bruce Griffiths, Chris Wainhouse, Smart
Casual, Jackie Loeb, Joel Creasey, Amelia Jane Hunter, Rhys Nicholson, Umit Bali and Emma Markezic. Oh, but during August you can see A Nifty History of
Evil in Edinburgh!